Yeah, and later in the same conversation, he said the 2020 election was a fraud ... lol. It's astounding, as you laid it out, that Trump is still viable as a political entity. Apparently, like you explained, people have a different reality than what is actually reality -- a lot of them, and they seem to shave their head, sport tattoos, and defile women who also have tattoos and piercings, and ... oh, well, I'm stereotyping, let's just say a lot of them fit it. They want a strong man in charge, right.